Who would actually want to implement and execute this mess ? That would require actual planning and leadership. Now that all of the rabble rousing and philosophizing is done, the blowhards are going to leave the difficult stuff for the real leaders.
Any moron with a hate-filled heart and mouthful of hateful rhetoric can sling bile from the sidelines. Not a real man or leader among them to actually step up to the plate and get the work done. Like a dog chasing a car, with no idea what to do if he actually caught it. Or a nerd asking a girl out and then pissing his pants and running away when she unexpectedly agreed to give him a shot. What a pathetic shit-show these people are.
Keep in mind, I don't really care whether UK leaves EU or not, the world will go on either way, I just know the leave side included some of the worst and ugliest human beings the UK has to offer.
If I want to see hate-filled hearts on display I'll go watch a pro-Palestinian gathering, a campus pro-political correctness protest, or a BLM rally. As for Farage he's not the leader of a ruling party. He's the leader of a group dedicated to one purpose only, and that was to separate Britain as much as possible from Europe and to regain their sovereignty from the Brussels bureaucracy. With the referendum this was accomplished so there's no reason for Farage to stick around. And I'd appreciate it greatly if more politicians didn't stick around and make a career out of whatever the fuck it is that they do for a "living". Would have been nice to see cretins like Don Boudria, who collected his taxpayer funded paycheques from the Trudeau Senior through to the Paul Martin eras, and Ralph Goodale take the hint and powder out after two or three terms.
The referendum can always be overturned anyway. Just keep petitioning for another one. Just be careful to make sure that the names submitted actually live in Britain instead of the 70000 "Britons" that apparently lived in Vatican City and other such places. Between that crooked petition and the undisguised rigging of the Austrian election it will be understandable if there's a lot of hesitation to accept that the left-wingers behind a new referendum are, ahem, playing according to the rules.
But...but....they're doing it for the betterment of all people, making everyone equal....well except for the political class who make the rules. Self labeled progressives. Napoleon and Snowball would approve.
Thirty-odd years ago the same lefties were burning down Britain over cruise missiles, Thatcher shuttering the coal mines, and the beginning stages of entry into the European Common Market. Now they want to stay in an arrangement that cost Britain the trades jobs the left used to support and would rather be ruled from Brussels is a surrender of sovereignty worse than anything Demon Thatcher ever signed onto.
They oppose that which they hate, even if it means turning their backs on everything they say they believe in. Sell out the working class? If that's the cost of the opportunity to call all Brexit supporters evil old racists then so be it. For all their puritan shit that they spread a left-wing ideologue is no different that a right wing one. They'll all equally abandon everything they say they hold dear in exchange for power and control.
"Thanos" said If I want to see hate-filled hearts on display I'll go watch a pro-Palestinian gathering, a campus pro-political correctness protest, or a BLM rally. As for Farage he's not the leader of a ruling party. He's the leader of a group dedicated to one purpose only, and that was to separate Britain as much as possible from Europe and to regain their sovereignty from the Brussels bureaucracy. With the referendum this was accomplished so there's no reason for Farage to stick around. And I'd appreciate it greatly if more politicians didn't stick around and make a career out of whatever the fuck it is that they do for a "living". Would have been nice to see cretins like Don Boudria, who collected his taxpayer funded paycheques from the Trudeau Senior through to the Paul Martin eras, and Ralph Goodale take the hint and powder out after two or three terms.
The referendum can always be overturned anyway. Just keep petitioning for another one. Just be careful to make sure that the names submitted actually live in Britain instead of the 70000 "Britons" that apparently lived in Vatican City and other such places. Between that crooked petition and the undisguised rigging of the Austrian election it will be understandable if there's a lot of hesitation to accept that the left-wingers behind a new referendum are, ahem, playing according to the rules.
David Cameron is left winger now? Brexit wasn't a leftt-right issue, it was a far right-everybody else issue. And you're goddam right the people who claimed to have the vision for Brexit ought to stick around and implement their grand design. They're all running for the hills like cowards right when the real work begins. Who's going to get stuck holding the shitty end of this stick?
So 17,410,000 votes for Leave were from far-right wingers only? That must account for the British government being controlled by the EDL, National Front, and Pegida UK for lo these many decades.
I can only assume you're being purposely dense about how the British parliament works because you're still throwing a tantrum about the side you favoured losing. Farage was elected to the European parliament, not the British one, so that rules him out. UKIP has one MP, Douglas Carswell, in the House who has as much of a chance of being selected as Prime Minister as Elizabeth May does in Canada. Boris Johnson isn't eligible because even as a Tory he has few friends now inside the party. Labour can't form a government because they're in their own death-spiral due to their in-fighting over Corbyn's leadership. That means until some group inside the Conservatives coalesces with a leader that Cameron is still in charge until he steps down in October. Your outrage and vitriol doesn't change how the selection of the next British government will happen.
"BeaverFever" said They're all running for the hills like cowards right when the real work begins. Who's going to get stuck holding the shitty end of this stick?
Running? Where are they running too? That's kind of a dumb thing to say. They're British. They're in Britain. They're staying in Britain. There'll always be an England
The British beat back some invaders again is all. They were Britain for centuries. Some tricksters tried to sneak in and take over for a short time. The British kicked them out. And now the British will continue being Britain is all.
After all the bitterness on the forums of politicians being all talk and never actually getting stuff done, I think it's sad when we end up celebrating a politician who, after years of talking, leaves right before the process of getting stuff done.
"Thanos" said If I want to see hate-filled hearts on display I'll go watch a pro-Palestinian gathering, a campus pro-political correctness protest, or a BLM rally. As for Farage he's not the leader of a ruling party. He's the leader of a group dedicated to one purpose only, and that was to separate Britain as much as possible from Europe and to regain their sovereignty from the Brussels bureaucracy. With the referendum this was accomplished so there's no reason for Farage to stick around. And I'd appreciate it greatly if more politicians didn't stick around and make a career out of whatever the fuck it is that they do for a "living". Would have been nice to see cretins like Don Boudria, who collected his taxpayer funded paycheques from the Trudeau Senior through to the Paul Martin eras, and Ralph Goodale take the hint and powder out after two or three terms.
I disagree. Farage should stick around and actually finish what he started.
Nothing has been accomplished. Farage, Cameron, Boris, and others have all been leaving before there has even been one word in negotiations, before there has been one change in regulation, and before there has even been on step towards actually invoking article 50. Brexit hasn't happened yet, and thus far all Farage has succeeded with is holding a referendum that seems to have caused political upheaval across the country. Now that the real work on any of those issues have to be handled, including the ones these people have been promising, none of them seem able to do the real job.
If Farage were any way half accountable and wanted to actually represent the people who voted for Leave, he would stay as leader and fight tooth and nail for each and every demand he and other prominent Leave campaigners have been fighting over. Until those demands have been met, there has been no victory. The ongoing stampede to the door so as to not play a role in that is ridiculous, and speaks exactly to the kind of bullshit lack of accountability these men and women want. If things go badly, they'll have had no role in negotiations, and any and all issues with Brexit will be someone else's fault, and will have nothing to do with anything they ever did. After all, they won Brexit! What, you didn't get what we promised you? Darn those people who actually negotiated the Brexit!
Now look where they are. Who is going to deal with Irish concerns over the Good Friday agreement? What exactly is the response to the Scottish parties looking to see if they have the power to veto, who are considering a new referendum? What is the English response to the EU declaring negotiations will only begin, officially and unofficially, when Article 50 is officially declared? Why has no one responded to just about every EU leader stating that, like their other trade agreements, free movement of people's will be a requisite for any EU-UK trade deal? What about all the legitimate voters who have signed petitions? Why are Leave campaigners suddenly talking about how you can't cut off the continent, how immigration has it's import (see Carswell, the only UKIP member of parliament), or that promises made by others won't happen (Farage on the NHS promise being a lie, one he knew about and stood silent on)? Why is it that the only party of any size that wants to leave, the Conservatives, have a front runner who has pretty much said she wouldn't invoke Article 50 for at least a year after her taking leadership, possibly more?
Why are the ones who are supposed to answer these questions slowly slinking out of the limelight, where they'd have to answer them? They won a vote! People voted for them and their ideals! These people have spent years being the icon for these ideals! Why, suddenly, is governing such a difficult thing for them? Why is it that now that the referendum has happened, none of them are willing to see it through to becoming law?
If this entire referendum was about unaccountable bureaucrats in a distant place who talk too much and who are making poor decisions and not having to deal with the consequences of those ideals, why is it acceptable that a slew of high ranking men and women, sitting in London, of a campaign which has just fundamentally altered the course of UK history and identity, have left en masse before even beginning to deal with those consequences? Is this the British leadership over 17 million people made the decision to vote for?
"N_Fiddledog" said They're all running for the hills like cowards right when the real work begins. Who's going to get stuck holding the shitty end of this stick?
Running? Where are they running too? That's kind of a dumb thing to say. They're British. They're in Britain. They're staying in Britain. There'll always be an England
The British beat back some invaders again is all. They were Britain for centuries. Some tricksters tried to sneak in and take over for a short time. The British kicked them out. And now the British will continue being Britain is all.
I'm not sure if you were serious with your confusion, or if this was supposed to be a segue away from any of the content contained in that post.
Most people (including the three other posters who said the same thing in this thread) would read what you quoted and recognize he was talking about them running from their positions, ideals and responsibilities while forcing someone else to do the hard bits like negotiating and answering those questions I posted above, rather than physically running from Britain, but selectively read that all you want.
As for your invaders point, there were always the people who ran away from the battlefield the moment someone invaded, including many leaders. Others, after all, can take ownership and duty for that arduous task, since as long as our cause is the same we are equally just and victorious, in their mind. Apparently a significant number of British politicians are made of a similar moral fiber.
Except right now no battle has actually happened, no one has lifted a finger to start real change, the only thing that has happened is there is knowledge that battle will take place (with candidates like Theresa May talking about a year after her election, at least). With the knowledge that the battle will come, one day, these proud leaders have declared themselves victorious and vacated the field. Paragons of bravery.
Since he is too tainted to become PM, and would never rejoin the Tories, it is a good time for him to step out.
Thank you Nigel, for giving lots of Europeans hope for the future,
to get out of the monster of the EU.
Campaigns well fought.
Nice mess guys, sure, we'll take care of that
Keep in mind, I don't really care whether UK leaves EU or not, the world will go on either way, I just know the leave side included some of the worst and ugliest human beings the UK has to offer.
The referendum can always be overturned anyway. Just keep petitioning for another one. Just be careful to make sure that the names submitted actually live in Britain instead of the 70000 "Britons" that apparently lived in Vatican City and other such places. Between that crooked petition and the undisguised rigging of the Austrian election it will be understandable if there's a lot of hesitation to accept that the left-wingers behind a new referendum are, ahem, playing according to the rules.
They oppose that which they hate, even if it means turning their backs on everything they say they believe in. Sell out the working class? If that's the cost of the opportunity to call all Brexit supporters evil old racists then so be it. For all their puritan shit that they spread a left-wing ideologue is no different that a right wing one. They'll all equally abandon everything they say they hold dear in exchange for power and control.
If I want to see hate-filled hearts on display I'll go watch a pro-Palestinian gathering, a campus pro-political correctness protest, or a BLM rally. As for Farage he's not the leader of a ruling party. He's the leader of a group dedicated to one purpose only, and that was to separate Britain as much as possible from Europe and to regain their sovereignty from the Brussels bureaucracy. With the referendum this was accomplished so there's no reason for Farage to stick around. And I'd appreciate it greatly if more politicians didn't stick around and make a career out of whatever the fuck it is that they do for a "living". Would have been nice to see cretins like Don Boudria, who collected his taxpayer funded paycheques from the Trudeau Senior through to the Paul Martin eras, and Ralph Goodale take the hint and powder out after two or three terms.
The referendum can always be overturned anyway. Just keep petitioning for another one. Just be careful to make sure that the names submitted actually live in Britain instead of the 70000 "Britons" that apparently lived in Vatican City and other such places. Between that crooked petition and the undisguised rigging of the Austrian election it will be understandable if there's a lot of hesitation to accept that the left-wingers behind a new referendum are, ahem, playing according to the rules.
David Cameron is left winger now? Brexit wasn't a leftt-right issue, it was a far right-everybody else issue. And you're goddam right the people who claimed to have the vision for Brexit ought to stick around and implement their grand design. They're all running for the hills like cowards right when the real work begins. Who's going to get stuck holding the shitty end of this stick?
I can only assume you're being purposely dense about how the British parliament works because you're still throwing a tantrum about the side you favoured losing. Farage was elected to the European parliament, not the British one, so that rules him out. UKIP has one MP, Douglas Carswell, in the House who has as much of a chance of being selected as Prime Minister as Elizabeth May does in Canada. Boris Johnson isn't eligible because even as a Tory he has few friends now inside the party. Labour can't form a government because they're in their own death-spiral due to their in-fighting over Corbyn's leadership. That means until some group inside the Conservatives coalesces with a leader that Cameron is still in charge until he steps down in October. Your outrage and vitriol doesn't change how the selection of the next British government will happen.
They're all running for the hills like cowards right when the real work begins. Who's going to get stuck holding the shitty end of this stick?
Running? Where are they running too?
The British beat back some invaders again is all. They were Britain for centuries. Some tricksters tried to sneak in and take over for a short time. The British kicked them out. And now the British will continue being Britain is all.
If I want to see hate-filled hearts on display I'll go watch a pro-Palestinian gathering, a campus pro-political correctness protest, or a BLM rally. As for Farage he's not the leader of a ruling party. He's the leader of a group dedicated to one purpose only, and that was to separate Britain as much as possible from Europe and to regain their sovereignty from the Brussels bureaucracy. With the referendum this was accomplished so there's no reason for Farage to stick around. And I'd appreciate it greatly if more politicians didn't stick around and make a career out of whatever the fuck it is that they do for a "living". Would have been nice to see cretins like Don Boudria, who collected his taxpayer funded paycheques from the Trudeau Senior through to the Paul Martin eras, and Ralph Goodale take the hint and powder out after two or three terms.
I disagree. Farage should stick around and actually finish what he started.
Nothing has been accomplished. Farage, Cameron, Boris, and others have all been leaving before there has even been one word in negotiations, before there has been one change in regulation, and before there has even been on step towards actually invoking article 50. Brexit hasn't happened yet, and thus far all Farage has succeeded with is holding a referendum that seems to have caused political upheaval across the country. Now that the real work on any of those issues have to be handled, including the ones these people have been promising, none of them seem able to do the real job.
If Farage were any way half accountable and wanted to actually represent the people who voted for Leave, he would stay as leader and fight tooth and nail for each and every demand he and other prominent Leave campaigners have been fighting over. Until those demands have been met, there has been no victory. The ongoing stampede to the door so as to not play a role in that is ridiculous, and speaks exactly to the kind of bullshit lack of accountability these men and women want. If things go badly, they'll have had no role in negotiations, and any and all issues with Brexit will be someone else's fault, and will have nothing to do with anything they ever did. After all, they won Brexit! What, you didn't get what we promised you? Darn those people who actually negotiated the Brexit!
Now look where they are. Who is going to deal with Irish concerns over the Good Friday agreement? What exactly is the response to the Scottish parties looking to see if they have the power to veto, who are considering a new referendum? What is the English response to the EU declaring negotiations will only begin, officially and unofficially, when Article 50 is officially declared? Why has no one responded to just about every EU leader stating that, like their other trade agreements, free movement of people's will be a requisite for any EU-UK trade deal? What about all the legitimate voters who have signed petitions? Why are Leave campaigners suddenly talking about how you can't cut off the continent, how immigration has it's import (see Carswell, the only UKIP member of parliament), or that promises made by others won't happen (Farage on the NHS promise being a lie, one he knew about and stood silent on)? Why is it that the only party of any size that wants to leave, the Conservatives, have a front runner who has pretty much said she wouldn't invoke Article 50 for at least a year after her taking leadership, possibly more?
Why are the ones who are supposed to answer these questions slowly slinking out of the limelight, where they'd have to answer them? They won a vote! People voted for them and their ideals! These people have spent years being the icon for these ideals! Why, suddenly, is governing such a difficult thing for them? Why is it that now that the referendum has happened, none of them are willing to see it through to becoming law?
If this entire referendum was about unaccountable bureaucrats in a distant place who talk too much and who are making poor decisions and not having to deal with the consequences of those ideals, why is it acceptable that a slew of high ranking men and women, sitting in London, of a campaign which has just fundamentally altered the course of UK history and identity, have left en masse before even beginning to deal with those consequences? Is this the British leadership over 17 million people made the decision to vote for?
They're all running for the hills like cowards right when the real work begins. Who's going to get stuck holding the shitty end of this stick?
Running? Where are they running too?
The British beat back some invaders again is all. They were Britain for centuries. Some tricksters tried to sneak in and take over for a short time. The British kicked them out. And now the British will continue being Britain is all.
I'm not sure if you were serious with your confusion, or if this was supposed to be a segue away from any of the content contained in that post.
Most people (including the three other posters who said the same thing in this thread) would read what you quoted and recognize he was talking about them running from their positions, ideals and responsibilities while forcing someone else to do the hard bits like negotiating and answering those questions I posted above, rather than physically running from Britain, but selectively read that all you want.
As for your invaders point, there were always the people who ran away from the battlefield the moment someone invaded, including many leaders. Others, after all, can take ownership and duty for that arduous task, since as long as our cause is the same we are equally just and victorious, in their mind. Apparently a significant number of British politicians are made of a similar moral fiber.
Except right now no battle has actually happened, no one has lifted a finger to start real change, the only thing that has happened is there is knowledge that battle will take place (with candidates like Theresa May talking about a year after her election, at least). With the knowledge that the battle will come, one day, these proud leaders have declared themselves victorious and vacated the field. Paragons of bravery.
Funny how the faces that pushed for this now don't want to step up and lead.
Naturally you wrote to Nigel and supported him for standing up to transnational socialism, right?
Funny how the faces that pushed for this now don't want to step up and lead.
Naturally you wrote to Nigel and supported him for standing up to transnational socialism, right?
Why would I do that?