VANCOUVER � Almost three months after taking sanctuary in a B.C. church to avoid deportation, a former KGB agent says he doesn't regret the decision.
"Lennikov, 49, argues he is not a spy and no threat to Canada because his five years in the KGB amounted to little more than work as a clerk and interpreter."
And like if he was an operative he would say so ;p
If he was a threat how the fuck did he get into the country in the first place?
It sounds like they decided to deport him because he was available, unlike the child killers, rapists, and other associated garbage that they've given a free pass to and never bother to look for.
The whole system is fucked and needs a complete overhaul, personell included.
You said it yourself: The whole system is fucked and needs a complete overhaul, personell included.
Probably because someone at immigration chose to believe that he was some innocent clerk with a NEW family in Canada. To put it in pespective, Vladimir Putin is 2 ranks ahead as a Lt. Col.
Maybe he hid something well enough from CIC. I mean if anyone would know how to mislead and hide or forge info about themselves it would be a spy! SO he got in then information came up since he arrived. When you get PR status it is always on the condition that what you said to get in was true and you left nothing out on your security forms.
Oh and I am sure he was translating things. The information he stole while spying lol! Clerk? Well "I do admin work for an intelligence agency" "I am a political officer in an embassy" and more often for the Chinese and Russians, "I'm in the consular bereau" Are such redundant covers that anyone in intelligence or embassies knows them.
Great cover, as soon as you say I'm do admin work, people get bored and don't ask anything else, Political officer, well you can make any crap up about what you do, Consul, the average joe has no idea what one does.
Yet another Canadian Citizen being dicked around and having any excuse that can be thought up used to kick him out.
It's not just about him, it's his family, whom his son is old enough to be forced into the Russian military and have to be forced through a lot worse training and physical/mental punishment then anybody would see here in Canada. And I seen what his son looks like.... he'd be dead in a week.
The fact of the matter is that he was already approved to come to Canada, he was already asked about his background, and he was open about it.... now simply because his history involves 3 letters "KGB".... somehow after so many years and without any evidence against him.... it's been concluded that he's a spy, so they're going to kick him out now after so many years of not ever being an issue.
I'll certainly agree that our whole system is fuct in the head..... but there's no justification for this situation to be carried through.
That and because of him spilling the beans to Canadian officials about his past, he's now considered a Traitor in Russia and his son will have to carry the brunt of that load when he's forced into the military.
Here's what the kid faces:
^ It gets interesting about 18 seconds into the video.
I doubt many in here would be willing to be exposed to similar treatment and I sure as hell would try and do anything for my child to prevent him having to go through this stuff.
And this is his son:
The kid would have a hard enough time in our own military, let alone in a Russian one.
Added:
Because of the Canadian Government's direct involvement and allowing him to stay here in the first place, our government has a responsibility to this man and his family to not send them in harms way. Canada had no issue with him spilling the beans and betraying his former country in the past, and now because of this, they're going to cut the strings and send him back to face the consequences of trusting in our nation.
I tell you, in the last 8 or so years, our government sure has stooped to some new lows.
If there was a shred of evidence that he was sending information back to Russian intelligence in anyway, I'd see justification for his deportation and I'd say good riddance, but there isn't any evidence and it's all being done out of paranoia over the fact that he used to work for the KGB.
I've read this story, he immediately disclosed his former KGB affiliation back when he arrived in Canada voluntarily and volunteered his knowledge to the RCMP and CSIS, who throughly debriefed him on several occasions and continued to monitor him ever since. Even they admit he has not engaged in any suspicious activity and that they don't see him as a security threat.
His role in the KGB was fairly benign i.e. he's not some war criminal or Russian James Bond or anything. He's already been in Canada longer than the 8 yrs he was in the KGB back in the 1980s, from which he was dismissed in 1988 after writing a report on why he was unsuitable for the KGB.
There are few things I hate more than the unthinking, bureaucratic application of rules and policies without taking individual and unique circumstances into account. Its like the gov't is saying "I know you're ok and this law wasn't meant to catch ppl like you, but I can't help you because rules are rules". Well, you're the one who makes the rules, so WTF?
Specifically, he was charged with having been in possession of and using falsified documents, such as passports and birth certificates, in violation of immigration laws.
Answers that one, and that should be enough to deport him on the spot.
Specifically, he was charged with having been in possession of and using falsified documents, such as passports and birth certificates, in violation of immigration laws.
Answers that one, and that should be enough to deport him on the spot.
...possessing those documents back when he worked for the KGB, not now.
His role in the KGB was fairly benign i.e. he's not some war criminal or Russian James Bond or anything. He's already been in Canada longer than the 8 yrs he was in the KGB back in the 1980s, from which he was dismissed in 1988 after writing a report on why he was unsuitable for the KGB.
However, he rose through the ranks to lieutenant, senior lieutenant, and captain.
Same article.
umm, as a Canadian living in Canada, it is fair to say you know nothing about how the intelligence agencies in the Warsaw Pact worked.
Let me just say that there aint no rank as Captain Clerk, and working in Japan would have been as high on the list as Europe or US jobs.
Those positions were not given away to just anyone, it required a lot of work, lots of contacts, and dedication above and beyond the normal. Average clerk type shits stayed in Siberia, or the good post went to Yugoslavia, a good Commie friend. Or Africa.
This guy werent no fucking clerk, k ?
Now, having said that, CSIS was rather unfair, he should have been given Permanent Residence.
But, since he came with forged documents anyways, it is hard to get some sympathy for him.
For sure he was no clerk, his job was something more like office manager. But that doesn't make him a danger, it's a bureaucratic job like any white-collar government job. Its not like he's got a "license to kill" or is an explosives expert or has wrist-watches that shoot lazer beams or anything. Those things only exist in fantasies.
The [Canadian government] accepts that he started out doing translations (he speaks Japanese) and that, while he did later spy on Japanese contacts, he received no espionage training and quit in 1988, three years before the dissolution of the Soviet Union.
Also again, the allegation is not that he came to Canada on forged documents, its that while working for the KGB he used forged documents, which IMO should be irrelevant to his Canadian case.
Dude, you still dont get it, but ok, I didnt get for a long time either.
Dangerous ? Probably not.
Thanks for the correction on the docs.
There is always a list of rules for everything. If its on the list of 'no no's, then its on the list.
Some days it amazes me how people can just decide for no serious reason that 'oh, this rule is stupid', and completely ignore the rule of law. There's a reason its there... maybe cause its an illegal activity; just like drug dealing and murder.
And like if he was an operative he would say so ;p
It sounds like they decided to deport him because he was available, unlike the child killers, rapists, and other associated garbage that they've given a free pass to and never bother to look for.
The whole system is fucked and needs a complete overhaul, personell included.
Probably because someone at immigration chose to believe that he was some innocent clerk with a NEW family in Canada. To put it in pespective, Vladimir Putin is 2 ranks ahead as a Lt. Col.
Oh and I am sure he was translating things. The information he stole while spying lol! Clerk? Well "I do admin work for an intelligence agency" "I am a political officer in an embassy" and more often for the Chinese and Russians, "I'm in the consular bereau" Are such redundant covers that anyone in intelligence or embassies knows them.
Great cover, as soon as you say I'm do admin work, people get bored and don't ask anything else, Political officer, well you can make any crap up about what you do, Consul, the average joe has no idea what one does.
It's not just about him, it's his family, whom his son is old enough to be forced into the Russian military and have to be forced through a lot worse training and physical/mental punishment then anybody would see here in Canada. And I seen what his son looks like.... he'd be dead in a week.
The fact of the matter is that he was already approved to come to Canada, he was already asked about his background, and he was open about it.... now simply because his history involves 3 letters "KGB".... somehow after so many years and without any evidence against him.... it's been concluded that he's a spy, so they're going to kick him out now after so many years of not ever being an issue.
I'll certainly agree that our whole system is fuct in the head..... but there's no justification for this situation to be carried through.
That and because of him spilling the beans to Canadian officials about his past, he's now considered a Traitor in Russia and his son will have to carry the brunt of that load when he's forced into the military.
Here's what the kid faces:
^ It gets interesting about 18 seconds into the video.
I doubt many in here would be willing to be exposed to similar treatment and I sure as hell would try and do anything for my child to prevent him having to go through this stuff.
And this is his son:
The kid would have a hard enough time in our own military, let alone in a Russian one.
Added:
Because of the Canadian Government's direct involvement and allowing him to stay here in the first place, our government has a responsibility to this man and his family to not send them in harms way. Canada had no issue with him spilling the beans and betraying his former country in the past, and now because of this, they're going to cut the strings and send him back to face the consequences of trusting in our nation.
I tell you, in the last 8 or so years, our government sure has stooped to some new lows.
If there was a shred of evidence that he was sending information back to Russian intelligence in anyway, I'd see justification for his deportation and I'd say good riddance, but there isn't any evidence and it's all being done out of paranoia over the fact that he used to work for the KGB.
I've read this story, he immediately disclosed his former KGB affiliation back when he arrived in Canada voluntarily and volunteered his knowledge to the RCMP and CSIS, who throughly debriefed him on several occasions and continued to monitor him ever since. Even they admit he has not engaged in any suspicious activity and that they don't see him as a security threat.
His role in the KGB was fairly benign i.e. he's not some war criminal or Russian James Bond or anything. He's already been in Canada longer than the 8 yrs he was in the KGB back in the 1980s, from which he was dismissed in 1988 after writing a report on why he was unsuitable for the KGB.
There are few things I hate more than the unthinking, bureaucratic application of rules and policies without taking individual and unique circumstances into account. Its like the gov't is saying "I know you're ok and this law wasn't meant to catch ppl like you, but I can't help you because rules are rules". Well, you're the one who makes the rules, so WTF?
Just stupid.
Then I will reiterate. How the fuck did he get in the country in the first place?
http://www.workpermit.com/news/2007_02_ ... ported.htm
Specifically, he was charged with having been in possession of and using falsified documents, such as passports and birth certificates, in violation of immigration laws.
Answers that one, and that should be enough to deport him on the spot.
Specifically, he was charged with having been in possession of and using falsified documents, such as passports and birth certificates, in violation of immigration laws.
Answers that one, and that should be enough to deport him on the spot.
...possessing those documents back when he worked for the KGB, not now.
His role in the KGB was fairly benign i.e. he's not some war criminal or Russian James Bond or anything. He's already been in Canada longer than the 8 yrs he was in the KGB back in the 1980s, from which he was dismissed in 1988 after writing a report on why he was unsuitable for the KGB.
However, he rose through the ranks to lieutenant, senior lieutenant, and captain.
Same article.
umm, as a Canadian living in Canada, it is fair to say you know
nothing about how the intelligence agencies in the Warsaw Pact worked.
Let me just say that there aint no rank as Captain Clerk,
and working in Japan would have been as high on the list
as Europe or US jobs.
Those positions were not given away to just anyone,
it required a lot of work, lots of contacts, and dedication
above and beyond the normal. Average clerk type shits
stayed in Siberia, or the good post went to Yugoslavia,
a good Commie friend. Or Africa.
This guy werent no fucking clerk, k ?
Now, having said that, CSIS was rather unfair, he should
have been given Permanent Residence.
But, since he came with forged documents anyways, it is hard
to get some sympathy for him.
For sure he was no clerk, his job was something more like office manager. But that doesn't make him a danger, it's a bureaucratic job like any white-collar government job. Its not like he's got a "license to kill" or is an explosives expert or has wrist-watches that shoot lazer beams or anything. Those things only exist in fantasies.
Also again, the allegation is not that he came to Canada on forged documents, its that while working for the KGB he used forged documents, which IMO should be irrelevant to his Canadian case.
Dude, you still dont get it, but ok, I didnt get for a long time either.
Dangerous ? Probably not.
Thanks for the correction on the docs.
There is always a list of rules for everything.
If its on the list of 'no no's, then its on the list.
Some days it amazes me how people can just decide for no serious reason
that 'oh, this rule is stupid', and completely ignore the rule of law.
There's a reason its there... maybe cause its an illegal activity;
just like drug dealing and murder.
You dont oppose Tran being kicked, do you ?