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Title: Man dies after police use Taser to subdue him
Category: Law & Order
Posted By: Hyack
Date: 2008-10-29 13:51:49
Canadian

[acidcomplex]

how many does it take to die before the cops get charged and these things are taken away. Why i remember back in the day when cops had to use these things called hands and arms.

Maybe its safer for the cops but if you wanted a safe job then you picked the wrong profession

[Yogi]

acidcomplex acidcomplex:

how many does it take to die before the cops get charged and these things are taken away.


Until people get smart enough not to put themselves into a situation whereupon a cop may be tempted to use a taser!


Why i remember back in the day when cops had to use these things called hands and arms.

And boots! Yah, I remember those days too. Not with any fondness though!

Maybe its safer for the cops but if you wanted a safe job then you picked the wrong profession

Tasers and such weapons are given to the police so that THEY CAN BE SAFER on the job. Once again, people need to learn to steer clear of situations that would bring them into contact with a taser!

[uwish]

I have no real issue with tasers. I do however, have a problem with some of the threat / force diagrams as to when they are employed.

Before tasers, cops used their nightstick. Hence, in a situation where a taser is used, it MUST be in the same conditions as if a Cop was going to use his sidearm.

Anything outside of that, and it is manslaughter as far as I am concerned. Or at BEST assault with a deadly weapon causing death.

[acidcomplex]

Yogi Yogi:

Tasers and such weapons are given to the police so that THEY CAN BE SAFER on the job.

Guess guns became ineffictive eh?. Not to mention mace and bean bag guns (one death that i know of) . Explain to me how an officer is safer with a taser then a gun. Just the officer as thats what your statement says, not the perp or the public, the officer

[Zipperfish]

Well, I'd like ot know the facts of the case more first before commenting.

However I do have a concern that tasers are used as a first resort by some officers when they have been linked to a number of deaths. Based on what I;ve seen, tasering someone and then constrciting their chest or air passage amounts to deadly force, and should be retated as such.

There are other problems. Following the death of Robert Dziekanski, or whatever the heck his name was, a number of investigations were launched. To my knowledge, a year later, nothing has come of any of them. Clearly , the invesitigative bosides charged with safeguarding the public have failed and it is time for a public inquiry.

[Pseudonym]

Real police brutality should come with beatings. Otherwise it is not as fun to watch. Although I must admit listening to "Don't tase me bro" still gets me every time.

[Yogi]

acidcomplex acidcomplex:

Yogi Yogi:

Tasers and such weapons are given to the police so that THEY CAN BE SAFER on the job.

Guess guns became ineffictive eh?. Not to mention mace and bean bag guns (one death that i know of) . Explain to me how an officer is safer with a taser then a gun. Just the officer as thats what your statement says, not the perp or the public, the officer

I don't know! Did guns become ineffective? I don't recall commenting on that, one way or another. I did however, as you have noted, state that tasers are issued to law enforcement officers as another tool in order to make them safer!

[uwish]

agreed

and since police are trained for center of mass when shooting, a taser COULD be a less lethal means of dropping a perp.

but as I said, it would have to be on the same threat level as use of a firearm.

[Brenda]

uwish uwish:

agreed

and since police are trained for center of mass when shooting, a taser COULD be a less lethal means of dropping a perp.

but as I said, it would have to be on the same threat level as use of a firearm.

[acidcomplex]

uwish uwish:

agreed

and since police are trained for center of mass when shooting, a taser COULD be a less lethal means of dropping a perp.

but as I said, it would have to be on the same threat level as use of a firearm.

so could a bean bag gun. But yeah if its used within arms lenth then its fine but thats the problem, its not ussualy used that close, its used by lazy cops

[Zipperfish]

Yogi Yogi:

acidcomplex acidcomplex:

Yogi Yogi:

Tasers and such weapons are given to the police so that THEY CAN BE SAFER on the job.

Guess guns became ineffictive eh?. Not to mention mace and bean bag guns (one death that i know of) . Explain to me how an officer is safer with a taser then a gun. Just the officer as thats what your statement says, not the perp or the public, the officer

I don't know! Did guns become ineffective? I don't recall commenting on that, one way or another. I did however, as you have noted, state that tasers are issued to law enforcement officers as another tool in order to make them safer!

Making cops safer isn't the only variable in the equation. An important variable, but not the only one.

[putz]

Shouldn't the title read "Man dies after Taser used twice to no effect, drugs could of caused his heart to stop but I guess that wouldn't sell this artical to the public"

[karra]

$1:

...how many does it take to die...

Way more than have died to date.

$1:

...before the cops get charged...

Never happen.

$1:

Why i remember back in the day when cops had to use these things called hands and arms.

Quite, they also had the wherewithal to use their God-given brains - something that seems ever so lacking today.

$1:

I have no real issue with tasers. I do however, have a problem with some of the threat / force diagrams as to when they are employed.

If these mutts et flatfeet paused for a moment to consider or maybe even reconsider or possibly even study their Use of Force Continuum, people would not be dropping like flies on our streets.

$1:

...its used by lazy cops...

Bang on. . . .

As Yogi states, it is indeed yet another tool in their arsenal - however, the first tool for these tools is supposed to be their brains, connected to their yaps - unfortunately, that is not the case in most instances of Death by Taser or Death by CED - this is what typically occurs when you give untrained (street as opposed to police college) knobs weapons they can't wait to use on an unsuspecting public - in this instance, they did not 'have to deploy' this offensive weapon - notice the article states cops, not cop. Therefore, it is safe to assume there were more than one - likely there was a whole passel of these bullies-in-blue - so, we shall see just how effective the new independant body of provincial peace officer investigators do their jobs - anything like the Ontario SIU, these wankers will skate regardless of the evidence against them. . . .

[Yogi]

[quote="Zipperfish"

Making cops safer isn't the only variable in the equation. An important variable, but not the only one.[/quote]


Yes. There is another important variable. That variable being that police are taught that whenever they feel it is necessary enough to draw their firearm to 'go for the body-mass. Shoot to kill'. Lethal force is the officers intention at this point.
When employing a taser, it is the officers intention at this point, to subdue the subject without lethal force.