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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:07 am
pfff, they still have it too good.
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:09 am
Don't go to prison and you don't have to eat prison food. Problem solved!
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:21 am
Once upon a time the hue and cry was about prisoners eating steak while the guards ate hotdogs. I'm all for prisons producing their own food, from veggies to the meat consumed. Provincial and federal facilities can create a system whereby different institutions produce different products for use and consumption. Prison lumber mills, prison farms(dairy, grain and meat), prison produced bedding, clothing, fabrics and furniture......you name it, pretty everything used. Then within the institutions themselves prison run bakeries, butcher shops(certain prisoners only, and likely in minimum to medium security facilities)) and kitchens. This way they leave with a trade and hopefully will use this opportunity to go straight. Not all will, that's a given, but enough will.
Prison is a school, but let's make it so they learn to be productive members of society, not just better criminals.
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:25 am
It's a good idea, but the government would never go for it - way too expensive. Just keep passing laws for more prison time, but don't put anymore money in the prison system is the plan.
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 9:57 am
It's a stressful enough situation in those places without making it worse by someone in the bureaucracy or minister's office resorting to Dickensian tactics to make the convicts squirm some more. Quit being assholes about it and just give them adequate food in order to keep the peace. This sort of shitty type of social conservative retribution on the inmates isn't worth a single bit of the trouble it causes, especially not if violence erupts over the bad food and some guard or staffer gets killed in a riot.
I have zero sympathy for inmates, period. They all deserve to be there for what they've done and for the way they behaved during their lives. But the sentence itself is the only punishment to be applied to them. Additional stresses, like giving them garbage food or taking away exercise time, is just sadism that makes the overall situation in prisons worse, not better. These idiots are in there to be punished but that punishment doesn't include adding on a bunch of malicious taunts to sate the misanthropy of the Archie Bunker crowd. Do the damn job right and run the system professionally and efficiently to keep the peace, not to satisfy the sadistic tendencies of the shit-for-brains SUN-reader demographic.
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:19 am
$1: taking away exercise time
It's been a few years now sense I worked in the Jail system but taking away the exercise time was a punishment for violations within the jail. Over all I agree with you on this. Bad food just created a far more stressed situation. That and over crowding of cells.
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:20 am
BartSimpson BartSimpson: Don't go to prison and you don't have to eat prison food. Problem solved! The problem is, often they aren't shipped enough food so if you are the last in line you might go hungry. Not that I have a real big problem with that, but after a time it does become torture. I want their stay to be as long as possible, none of this starving to death prematurely.
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 11:55 am
Multi grain read and clean water with vitamin supplements. 
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:42 pm
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog: Once upon a time the hue and cry was about prisoners eating steak while the guards ate hotdogs. I'm all for prisons producing their own food, from veggies to the meat consumed. Provincial and federal facilities can create a system whereby different institutions produce different products for use and consumption. Prison lumber mills, prison farms(dairy, grain and meat), prison produced bedding, clothing, fabrics and furniture......you name it, pretty everything used. Then within the institutions themselves prison run bakeries, butcher shops(certain prisoners only, and likely in minimum to medium security facilities)) and kitchens. This way they leave with a trade and hopefully will use this opportunity to go straight. Not all will, that's a given, but enough will.
Prison is a school, but let's make it so they learn to be productive members of society, not just better criminals. Meanwhile, back at the ranch http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/canada-to-shut-down-all-prison-farms/
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:48 pm
No one ever said bureaucrats were smart, and besides prison farms would only be part of it. Any and every other industry required for servicing and running the correctional system would be covered. Surplus would be sold for a profit and reinvested into the system, further lessening the burden on tax paying citizens. Everything from vet assistants to clerical staff to carpenter, electrician to landscaping to carpenters(fine and construction).
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:00 pm
ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog: No one ever said bureaucrats were smart, and besides prison farms would only be part of it. Any and every other industry required for servicing and running the correctional system would be covered. Surplus would be sold for a profit and reinvested into the system, further lessening the burden on tax paying citizens. Everything from vet assistants to clerical staff to carpenter, electrician to landscaping to carpenters(fine and construction). Sounds like you are ready to move out of the classroom into the Principals office 
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:29 pm
Can't eat the grime, don't do the crime.
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:36 pm
Thanos, sometimes I really wish you still had your rep points on. Take this ![Drink up [B-o]](./images/smilies/drinkup.gif) instead.
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Posted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:58 pm
Mmmmmmmm, beer. 
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