[Tman1]

Streaker Streaker:

Careful, Tman: You're not allowed to express your views or use your critical faculties unless you're in the army.

All I want to do is save lives or suggest a means to do it and I criticize an 85,000 dollar shells 'effectiveness' and all these GI Joes jump down my throat. Good god.

[Streaker]

Tman1 Tman1:

Streaker Streaker:

Careful, Tman: You're not allowed to express your views or use your critical faculties unless you're in the army.

All I want to do is save lives or suggest a means to do it and I criticize an 85,000 dollar shells 'effectiveness' and all these GI Joes jump down my throat. Good god.

Funny how thin-skinned these "tough guys" are, eh?

[Tman1]

putz putz:

Tman1 Tman1:

How about developing something for roadside bombs and save more lives than kill. That expensive shell doesn't seem to be doing much.

I guess you'd know about how the shell is doing from all your time in Combat in Afghanistan

What does my "time in combat" in Afghanistan have to do with anything I say or believe in or do you know something I don't?

[roger-roger]

Hey! when you come on and complain that the engineers are not doing enough to stop IED do some research. Dont just show up and say that we spend more on killing then we do on saving our own troops. I have risked my life making those roads safe, for some fucking arm chair general to say that I am not doing my fucking job is too much. If you would have done the slightest bit of research. Fuck even asked me or SprCForr about what Canada is doing to stop IED attacks, instead up jumping to the wrong conclustions. Then comming on and saying I need an attitude adjustment. I am sure that if someone came out of no where, and assumed you didnt know what the fuck you were doing ,and told you how to do your fucking job you would be fucking pissed to. So dont you think for one second you know how easy it is to find a bomb untill you have gone through the years of training I have.

[Streaker]

Ooohh... A hissy fit!!

[roger-roger]

See Streaker, calling me gay doesnt piss me off, saying I dont know what I am doing after 3 years of training will. You just went about it the wrong way.

[RUEZ]

Tman1 Tman1:

Streaker Streaker:

Careful, Tman: You're not allowed to express your views or use your critical faculties unless you're in the army.

All I want to do is save lives or suggest a means to do it and I criticize an 85,000 dollar shells 'effectiveness' and all these GI Joes jump down my throat. Good god.

Well to be fair the shell is probably quite effective at what it does. I do agree that we need something to prevent these deaths from roadside bombs. Isn't that what the chinooks were going to be for?

[Streaker]

Eisensapper Eisensapper:

See Streaker, calling me gay doesnt piss me off, saying I dont know what I am doing after 3 years of training will. You just went about it the wrong way.

Fair enough. For the record, I don't think you're gay; just a latent homosexual.

[roger-roger]

Chinooks would be more for supply then for moving troops, the roads will still have to be made safe. Which is why they have a special engineer team on the ground now to deal with just IEDs.

[Tman1]

Well, yeah, I suppose the shell is good at what it does but what exactly is the impact of it on the Taliban is what I am grabbing at. Killing thousands of Taliban isn't going to do much or at least that is what it seems but I think it would be better to extend our own soldiers' lives in order to get the country going first is better than the shell. That was my main argument until some uncouth person was putting words in my mouth.

[roger-roger]

Please tell, what did I put in our mouth that wasnt already comming out of it?

[roger-roger]

Tman1 Tman1:

Tell me how many of those vehicles Canada has in Afganistan? Why a Lav III can be easily ripped to shreds and why a majority of Canadian soldiers die by roadside bombs.

A Huskey and a Buffalo constitute one EROC team; we have two teams on the ground so four in total 2 Huskeys and 2 Buffalos.

A LAV III is rarely "Ripped to Shreds" I have only see that happen once, and it was because the call sign ignored SOPs and went on a route that had not been cleared and was at high risk for an IED strike. By sheer luck the belly of the LAV was touching the ground where the IED was not giving the vehicle any standoff. The force of the explosion blew apart the inside of the LAV throwing one person from the rear clean out of the vehicle. The 6 other pers in the back were ripped to shred by the explosion, all that was left was burnt flesh twisted metal and cooking off round in the rear. Luckily the Crew Commander, Gunner and Driver were not hurt. I was on scene 30 min after the strike and cleared the landing zone for the corpses and the injured personal that was thrown from the lav.

Road Side Bombs, IED, are very hard to find by untrained personnel. Unless you know exactly what to look for you will walk by one, which is why so many die from them. The best way to find an IED is to get out on foot and scour the ground meter by meter with a mine detector. For a road that is 2.5 KM long this can take around 3 days. Once you do not have someone observing the road it is no longer safe.

The EROC team armed with the Husky (Imagine it in Tan) and the Buffalo are specially tasked to deal with just IEDs. This is to lighten the load on other engineer assets so they can be freed to deal with other tasks. There really is alot more detail I can go into, but due to operational security I cannot go into specific procedure.

Now please tell me what else we should be doing to stop IEDs?

[Tman1]

I resent you implying that I am COMPLAINING about the troops in Afghanistan in any way shape or form. You are bitching about nothing and merely couldn't comprehened what I said and instead for some reason took it as an insult about YOU and your JOB which for some reason 'everybody' is supposed to know about. What's more, you go on a rage right after I responded to you which speaks volumes on your own maturity and if you really are in the CF's, some recruiting methods need to be changed, fast. Don't like it? Tough.

I'd give you another negitive rep point (which I rarely do) if I could but I can't so keep on trucking though.

[Tman1]

Thanks for that info. If you would have done that in a better manner before...

Still doesn't mean that other methods of IED detection cannot be developed which was my point. Shouldn't more of those vehicles be in Afghanistan?

I was thinking more along the lines of personal devices for ground troops as they are at most risk.

[Chumley]

Tman1 Tman1:

I resent you implying that I am COMPLAINING about the troops in Afghanistan in any way shape or form. You are bitching about nothing and merely couldn't comprehened what I said and instead for some reason took it as an insult about YOU and your JOB which for some reason 'everybody' is supposed to know about. What's more, you go on a rage right after I responded to you which speaks volumes on your own maturity and if you really are in the CF's, some recruiting methods need to be changed, fast. Don't like it? Tough.

I'd give you another negitive rep point (which I rarely do) if I could but I can't so keep on trucking though.

I think you stepped into the thread at the wrong moment, as Streak was busy goading people to the point where they will lash out at everyone. I am sure he is enjoying it though.