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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 6:59 pm
Winnipegger Winnipegger: Hey Sasuatch, and we were getting along so well in another thread. If you are a serving soldier, don't pick political sides. Serving solders must serve who ever is the current government of the day. No political party will last forever, eventually the Harper government will loose an election. You can speculate whether it will be this next election or another, but eventually the CPC will loose. The only parties to ever form the government of Canada have been the Liberal and Conservative parties, so the Liberal party will get in eventually. Don't hack the Liberal party; rather try to make friends so they will support the military when they get in.
As for reality, Canada sent JTF2 into Afghanistan before the Americans or anyone else sent troops anywhere. After 9/11 our troops were first. Be proud of that, we support our allies. Unfortunately George W. is not focussing his attack on those who attacked the US, but thrashing around attacking or threatening everyone. Not good.
As for George W. Bush asking for Canadian participation, perhaps you didn't watch the news. I saw George W. himself ask that very question on TV news. Yes, he did ask Canada to go into Iraq. He also asked all of NATO, and every other ally he could find.
Let's try to stay away from name calling.
Are you saying serving members of the military are not allowed to have opinions?
You can still have an opinion and serve, it's called democracy.
The fact that most members of the CF vote Conservative is well known so you will find most CF members will lean to the right of the political spectrum, Streaker aside.
Serving members are not allowed to take an 'active' role in politics but they are allowed to have opinions.
"Active role" means running for office or actively campaign for another person in a political race.
I served during a Labour Government in the UK and I still followed orders. To say that soldiers are not allowed opinions is a little strong and totally ill-informed.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:16 pm
Winnipegger Winnipegger: CPAC has not provided a copy on their website of the press conference that I watched. Sorry but I did see it, even you don't like it. I did find this article, which has attached video. It's from CTV so don't complain about CBC articles. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1127234936056_73/?hub=CTVNewsAt11I don't think you did see it. Unless he was FORMER JTF2, I don't know the regulations on that, but they do NOT reveal who is in the unit. They don't even specify how many people are in the unit, why would they name one?? Frankly I think you're full of shit, and you're trying to cover your tracks now. And I never said anything about CBC here. $1: As for the words "deployment" or "operation", you're the one using those words so any distinction is concocted. But I did find this article form the National Post, it sounds like the "operation" you're looking for. http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:P_3uDOdUkkgJ:www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html%3Fid%3D039eea20-67f8-4647-8277-9597dc7dd816+jtf2+arrested&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ca&ie=UTF-8
Deployment = Known, and probably fairly large scale
Operation = Not known until after it's done, and sometimes not then.
As for the article, I still don't know what you are getting at. It doesn't prove that JTF2 was in A-stan first. It doesn't reveal anything about the unit. And it tells of this after the fact, but doesn't list any people or any specific details other then they were close. You are reinforcing my argument every time you post one of these links. Do yourself a favour, and stop.
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sasquatch2
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:46 pm
If you believe you saw an interview with a JTF2 member you were duped as was the interviewer.
$1: Officials at the Department of National Defence would neither confirm nor deny JTF-2's involvement in the lengthy investigation into the alleged terror plot. "For reasons of operational security, National Defence does not discuss the activities of its special forces," spokesman Jay Paxton said yesterday.
JTF2 like the SAS and other shadowy elite units are secret. Their members are absolute in their discreation, even in retirement. The standard answer if someone enquires as to their military service is "nothing to speak of."
JTF,like the SAS deploy wearing balaclavas to conceal their identity and even their identities is a state secret. No details are forthcoming. Even their strength is a secret.
They really are " the guerillas in the mist."
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:55 pm
sasquatch2 sasquatch2: If you believe you saw an interview with a JTF2 member you were duped as was the interviewer. $1: Officials at the Department of National Defence would neither confirm nor deny JTF-2's involvement in the lengthy investigation into the alleged terror plot. "For reasons of operational security, National Defence does not discuss the activities of its special forces," spokesman Jay Paxton said yesterday. JTF2 like the SAS and other shadowy elite units are secret. Their members are absolute in their discreation, even in retirement. The standard answer if someone enquires as to their military service is "nothing to speak of." JTF,like the SAS deploy wearing balaclavas to conceal their identity and even their identities is a state secret. No details are forthcoming. Even their strength is a secret. They really are " the guerillas in the mist."
Correct...Whilst attending college I lived a year with an ex SAS guy, we constantly asked about his service, no answer was the stern reply. All we knew is he spent some time in Ireland.
Even after 8 pints of Boddingtons bitter he was still mum. 
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:17 pm
PluggyRug PluggyRug: sasquatch2 sasquatch2: If you believe you saw an interview with a JTF2 member you were duped as was the interviewer. $1: Officials at the Department of National Defence would neither confirm nor deny JTF-2's involvement in the lengthy investigation into the alleged terror plot. "For reasons of operational security, National Defence does not discuss the activities of its special forces," spokesman Jay Paxton said yesterday. JTF2 like the SAS and other shadowy elite units are secret. Their members are absolute in their discreation, even in retirement. The standard answer if someone enquires as to their military service is "nothing to speak of." JTF,like the SAS deploy wearing balaclavas to conceal their identity and even their identities is a state secret. No details are forthcoming. Even their strength is a secret. They really are " the guerillas in the mist."Correct...Whilst attending college I lived a year with an ex SAS guy, we constantly asked about his service, no answer was the stern reply. All we knew is he spent some time in Ireland. Even after 8 pints of Boddingtons bitter he was still mum. 
That is the real test........keeping yer gob shut after 8 Boddies!
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:44 pm
I thought winnipegger was supposed to be smart? Anyone who knows anything about our Forces knows this.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:45 pm
Tricks Tricks: I thought winnipegger was supposed to be smart? Anyone who knows anything about our Forces knows this.
He's not that clever. He thinks if you serve you can't have a political opinion.
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:46 pm
EyeBrock EyeBrock: Tricks Tricks: I thought winnipegger was supposed to be smart? Anyone who knows anything about our Forces knows this. He's not that clever. He thinks if you serve you can't have a political opinion. ROTFL
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 2:35 pm
Winnipegger Winnipegger: Tricks Tricks: Oh really? So they said on national television that this man was part of JTF2? Yup. Your desire doesn't change reality. Too bad you missed it.
I have no doubt that the station might have said this man was part of JTF2, but I can guarantee he wasn't. JTF2 will not, and does not reveal any of it's operators faces or names to the general public. Even within a military setting JTF2 members will not be present in course photos.
I see others have already corrected your "faux pas", eeirily similar to your mistakes on another thread regarding the military. Methinks you seriously have no clue about anything related to any military. 
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:08 pm
The convulsions the JAG people are going through in the trial of the JTF-2 member is a prime example.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:00 pm
SprcFor, you are a moderator. This is the second time these guys have accused me of lying. That accusation is unparliamentary, if an MP made that accusation in the house he would be asked by the Speaker to retract the claim and appologize. If he refused he would be evicted from the house.
The current debate started when I complimented JTF2. Then these guys who don't want a Liberal to know anything to do with the military made the accusation that I don't, and when it turned out I know something they don't they claim that proves their point. Again, if any MP tried that in the House of Commons, they would be thrown out. Could you please give Tricks a yellow card or something.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:06 pm
Winnipegger Winnipegger: SprcFor, you are a moderator. This is the second time these guys have accused me of lying. That accusation is unparliamentary, if an MP made that accusation in the house he would be asked by the Speaker to retract the claim and appologize. If he refused he would be evicted from the house.
The current debate started when I complimented JTF2. Then these guys who don't want a Liberal to know anything to do with the military made the accusation that I don't, and when it turned out I know something they don't they claim that proves their point. Again, if any MP tried that in the House of Commons, they would be thrown out. Could you please give Tricks a yellow card or something.
This guy was considered for a master debator medal?
What in hell do I deserve a yellow card for?
And I have proved your initial claim false (well actually you did) and you have substantiated any other claims, while more then one current or former serving member has said you are flat out wrong. Ergo, you are.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:52 pm
2Cdo 2Cdo: Winnipegger Winnipegger: Tricks Tricks: Oh really? So they said on national television that this man was part of JTF2? Yup. Your desire doesn't change reality. Too bad you missed it. I have no doubt that the station might have said this man was part of JTF2, but I can guarantee he wasn't. JTF2 will not, and does not reveal any of it's operators faces or names to the general public. Even within a military setting JTF2 members will not be present in course photos. I see others have already corrected your "faux pas", eeirily similar to your mistakes on another thread regarding the military. Methinks you seriously have no clue about anything related to any military. 
Like the 'bolt action FN rifle'? That was a bit of a give away that he know's sweet F.A about the military.
Plus he thinks we are not allowed to have opinions. Bit of a fascist on the sly eh!
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Posts: 15681
Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:57 pm
Winnipegger Winnipegger: SprcFor, you are a moderator. This is the second time these guys have accused me of lying. That accusation is unparliamentary, if an MP made that accusation in the house he would be asked by the Speaker to retract the claim and appologize. If he refused he would be evicted from the house.
The current debate started when I complimented JTF2. Then these guys who don't want a Liberal to know anything to do with the military made the accusation that I don't, and when it turned out I know something they don't they claim that proves their point. Again, if any MP tried that in the House of Commons, they would be thrown out. Could you please give Tricks a yellow card or something.
Awww, bless your cotton socks!
In case you have not noticed, this is not Parliament Hill. Lucky for for you as I can't think who would vote for ya!
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