[ziggy]

Well I'm not in the AF but I do know what the weather is like in the north and winter months are pretty much one big steady ground blizzard.
The shit hits the fan in september and go's to late june so wouldnt any jets stationed at Alert become hostages to the climate? They wouldnt do much good if they cant take off or land.

[EyeBrock]

No real difference than CFB Goose Bay in winter. I spent three fun years there and CF18's can fly in all weathers.
They just need a decent hangar for the techies. Oh and a 10,000 foot runway for proper loggy support.

[ziggy]

So they can taxi out of a hanger in zero visibility at -70 winchill and still take off?
I wouldnt want to be the ground crew.

[EyeBrock]

They can with a ground truck leading them to the runway. Standard stuff zigs. Combat aircraft are designed with 'all-weather' in mind. I have been with various types on hot/high/cold testing. The CF18 can hack -70 wind chill. How warm do you think it is at 30,000 feet?

[ziggy]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

They can with a ground truck leading them to the runway. Standard stuff zigs. Combat aircraft are designed with 'all-weather' in mind. I have been with various types on hot/high/cold testing. The CF18 can hack -70 wind chill. How warm do you think it is at 30,000 feet?

ok,so how does a ground truck find the runway when they cant see out the windshield.Someone holding a GPS and telling the driver when to turn?

[Gunnair]

herbie herbie:

Gunnair Gunnair:

JustKate JustKate:

Tinfoil moment.

Did we shoot down one of the Russian bears last week? They story keeps changing it seems all day. Sound's like one aircraft was escorted away, then reports come out about two aircrafts. Am I the only one that caught this?

Christ on a crutch...

As you're able to post and not a mere shadow on the sidewalk, you heard wrong.
They didn't enter Canadian airspace. NOBODY is claiming that.
They won't unless we're so obviously slow to scramble they know they could AND they have orders to try from Moscow.
The only country on Earth with better planes than those 'obsolete Hornets' are the Yanks, so stop calling down everything Canadian and pretending you're being patriotic. The same Cdn Hornets that the USA asked us to send to cover Alaska while their planes were in refit.
Russia is even telling people it was one of these just to save some face:

We should tell them to send one, so we can intercept it and take pictures and both of our countries can wag our fucking tails even more.

And Red Dawn was great. I never laughed so hard in my fucking life. Reaganist Hollywood's very own "Der Ewige Jude".

You're shaking your finger at the wrong guy...

[kenmore]

ziggy ziggy:

kenmore kenmore:

Mackay grandstanding.. playing politics.. they weren't in our air space and its not known if they would have entered it.. not like it doesn't happen all the time.. he is just looking for publicity.. we had Diefenbaker bunkers.. whats next Mackay igloos lol. .. the Russians are coming ! vote tory.. the Russians are coming.. what a twerp

Meanwhile,Their trying to retrofit some of their old icebreakers which are the biggest in the world and bring the old soviet bear's out and retrofitting them too so it is something to take notice of.

You should have stayed in Cuba a bit longer,just in case the commies took over,then you would be safe.

You are intelligent... Cuba is communist/socialist... duh!

its all Mackay trying to look like he does something,,, which we all know both he and harper are do nothing jerks and now that the guy who pulled their strings is out of office they are scrambling to make themselves look good.. ya right frick and frack, null and void... two cheeks = 1 major asshole party

[Gunnair]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

Gunnair Gunnair:

ShepherdsDog ShepherdsDog:

somebody has been shaking the walnut tree too hard....the nuts are dropping left(mostly), right and centre.

I'm thinking there's a lot of people who have forgotten the antics of the Cold War...

You said it mate. This is "Cold War Part II". This time they are not up for invading Germany, they just want our Arctic.

If there was ever a case for re-arming for a new threat, the Russians have packaged it up nicely for us.

This is the time for Air Command to get a bit closer to the action.
Now is also the right time for CFS Alert to get a 10,000 foot runway and hardened shelters, oh and maybe some AA missiles.

We Brits always thought a few 'Argentinean whalers' were a bit of a joke too. Then they invaded the Falklands and we lost 250 guys and four ships taking it back.

Though I agree we need to badly bolster our stance and capabilities in the Arctic, I was more refering to the fact that the Russians used to do this all the time, and are still doing it somewhat regularly and without the media and political hysterics.

I'm not sure what Mackay was thinking of here in making a big deal about it? (I noticed that the US general from NORAD completely shrugged his shoulders at the event)I'm hoping that it was simply in order to draw attention to Arctic soverignty and not Bob Rae's idiotic assumption that it was to draw attention from the economic crisis.

[EyeBrock]

ziggy ziggy:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

They can with a ground truck leading them to the runway. Standard stuff zigs. Combat aircraft are designed with 'all-weather' in mind. I have been with various types on hot/high/cold testing. The CF18 can hack -70 wind chill. How warm do you think it is at 30,000 feet?

ok,so how does a ground truck find the runway when they cant see out the windshield.Someone holding a GPS and telling the driver when to turn?

Drive slowly. Even in a blizzard you can drive at 3 kph mate. Snow and cold have been around for a long time. Aircraft can fly though this stuff, it's nowt new!

[kenmore]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

ziggy ziggy:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

They can with a ground truck leading them to the runway. Standard stuff zigs. Combat aircraft are designed with 'all-weather' in mind. I have been with various types on hot/high/cold testing. The CF18 can hack -70 wind chill. How warm do you think it is at 30,000 feet?

ok,so how does a ground truck find the runway when they cant see out the windshield.Someone holding a GPS and telling the driver when to turn?

Drive slowly. Even in a blizzard you can drive at 3 kph mate. Snow and cold have been around for a long time. Aircraft can fly though this stuff, it's nowt new!

oops sir eye.. there is no w in not lol

[ziggy]

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

ziggy ziggy:

EyeBrock EyeBrock:

They can with a ground truck leading them to the runway. Standard stuff zigs. Combat aircraft are designed with 'all-weather' in mind. I have been with various types on hot/high/cold testing. The CF18 can hack -70 wind chill. How warm do you think it is at 30,000 feet?

ok,so how does a ground truck find the runway when they cant see out the windshield.Someone holding a GPS and telling the driver when to turn?

Drive slowly. Even in a blizzard you can drive at 3 kph mate. Snow and cold have been around for a long time. Aircraft can fly though this stuff, it's nowt new!

I realize that but maybe I was in different blizzards because without someone holding a gps and telling me when to turn the snowcat, I would have been missing.
When I say zero visibility I mean you cant see past your goggles or outside any vehicle your in.You may as well be blind and I even have video of it.
Maybe the ground blizzards are more intense in the far north.

It's not uncommon for everything to come to a standstill for a week at a time during these blizzards.
I cant see how someone could taxi a fighter to the strip in one.

[EyeBrock]

ok,so how does a ground truck find the runway when they cant see out the windshield.Someone holding a GPS and telling the driver when to turn? [/quote]

Drive slowly. Even in a blizzard you can drive at 3 kph mate. Snow and cold have been around for a long time. Aircraft can fly though this stuff, it's nowt new![/quote]

oops sir eye.. there is no w in not lol [/quote]

Embrace your diversity. Nowt in Northern England means 'nothing'.

[EyeBrock]

If the alternate is to have a Russian bomber in Canadian airspace, I'm sure even Air Command can get a pair of CF18's up. I've seen them scramble in very bad weather.

[martin14]

ziggy ziggy:

I realize that but maybe I was in different blizzards because without someone holding a gps and telling me when to turn the snowcat, I would have been missing.
When I say zero visibility I mean you cant see past your goggles or outside any vehicle your in.You may as well be blind and I even have video of it.
Maybe the ground blizzards are more intense in the far north.

It's not uncommon for everything to come to a standstill for a week at a time during these blizzards.
I cant see how someone could taxi a fighter to the strip in one.

hows about a covered runway for the lead cat ?

or. lets go James Bond style and have an underground one ?

[ziggy]

martin14 martin14:

ziggy ziggy:

I realize that but maybe I was in different blizzards because without someone holding a gps and telling me when to turn the snowcat, I would have been missing.
When I say zero visibility I mean you cant see past your goggles or outside any vehicle your in.You may as well be blind and I even have video of it.
Maybe the ground blizzards are more intense in the far north.

It's not uncommon for everything to come to a standstill for a week at a time during these blizzards.
I cant see how someone could taxi a fighter to the strip in one.

hows about a covered runway for the lead cat ?

or. lets go James Bond style and have an underground one ?

Within 10 seconds of leaving the hanger it would have drifts forming on it.
Underground would be the way to go,like a carrier.Just in case the hanger blows away.

I'm curious to how long it took to scramble the jets and get to Tuktayaktuk from cold lake.