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Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Tricks Tricks:

You actually have no idea what you're talking about.

What do you think I'm talking about?

Do you have the magical words to say what you think I want to say? If so, could you then please be so kind as to share with the rest of the class?

Cause that'd be neat

Do you even know what Linux is?

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Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Dude... There wouldn't be a mortgage... No bills, no need to pay for food, no need to squeeze every last possible penny out of a job you would like to love for your survival. You get you have your cake and eat it too.

If someone wants something done DO IT. Cause what's stopping you? No need for any money middle man.

This is the idea someone always presents to me:

Person A has an idea
Person A has the tools and ability to satisfy the idea
Person A won't earn money from the idea
Thankfully Person A doesn't need money to fulfill his idea or for his own survival
Person A decides not to work on his idea, even though it's an advancement he'd like to see and he has no obligations or limitations in completing the idea

Why would you NOT do something you wanted to see happen?

Until person B takes the idea for his own and person A gets fucked.

Communism doesn't work, deal with it.

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[Curtman]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Now now, before you start spouting absolutes ad nauseam, let's just discuss this...

If Person B took the idea Person A would not be disadvantaged at all. Person B's production and adaption of the idea can happen independently of Person A's production and adaption of the idea. Person A doesn't lose anything from Person B's success, and vice versa. In light of another person using the idea, Person A should improve the idea they came up with in order to be 'more competitive' with the modified idea of Person B. If Person B is just a leech and has no good reason to take the idea and provides no improvements to it, than less people will choose it over it's more innovative version.

Although if they were both working on the same idea, it'd probably be better if they worked together on it.

Think of the idea as Linux. People take that idea and make things like Ubuntu. The idea is decentralized.

What is person A or B's motivation to do anything? Person C will probably do it. Competition is the motivation in Open Source most of the time.

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[Curtman]

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Curtman Curtman:

What is person A or B's motivation to do anything? Person C will probably do it. Competition is the motivation in Open Source most of the time.

The motivation is simple want. They like a certain thing and want it to be better. Or they have a new idea to improve their life and others' lives. Or perhaps they'd like to reduce the need for human labour in a certain sector. People will work for the actual value of their labour rather than a wage which is just a portion of it. That value is the motivation. Also, if no one works, society collapses completely for no reason other than sheer stubbornness. Eventually someone will start growing vegetables out of the sheer need of vegetables.

If you could do anything, why would you do nothing?

I was mostly agreeing with you. But corporate involvement has been a very good thing in open source. Both in drawing in young programmers, and in being a great way to get work done by a corporation.

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Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

There's no way that's a serious question. It's a free open source operating system, with many versions, that's been around for years. What's the point of your question?

So you also know it is extremely popular for use on servers, and suing someone for using it on their servers sets a dangerous precedent.

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

If Person B took the idea Person A would not be disadvantaged at all. Person B's production and adaption of the idea can happen independently of Person A's production and adaption of the idea. Person A doesn't lose anything from Person B's success, and vice versa. In light of another person using the idea, Person A should improve the idea they came up with in order to be 'more competitive' with the modified idea of Person B. If Person B is just a leech and has no good reason to take the idea and provides no improvements to it, than less people will choose it over it's more innovative version.

Unless person B made it impossible for Person A to continue to use that idea.

$1:

Think of the idea as Linux. People take that idea and make things like Ubuntu. The idea is decentralized.

You do realise Linux is centralized right? The base creation is centralized.

Are you proposing that people provide a service or produce a good to use to barter with for other services or goods?

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Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Curtman Curtman:

What is person A or B's motivation to do anything? Person C will probably do it. Competition is the motivation in Open Source most of the time.

The motivation is simple want. They like a certain thing and want it to be better. Or they have a new idea to improve their life and others' lives. Or perhaps they'd like to reduce the need for human labour in a certain sector. People will work for the actual value of their labour rather than a wage which is just a portion of it. That value is the motivation. Also, if no one works, society collapses completely for no reason other than sheer stubbornness. Eventually someone will start growing vegetables out of the sheer need of vegetables.

If you could do anything, why would you do nothing?

Diffusion of Responsibility.

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Tricks Tricks:

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Think of the idea as Linux. People take that idea and make things like Ubuntu. The idea is decentralized.

You do realise Linux is centralized right? The base creation is centralized.

Ubuntu comes from the Canonical Corporation. If you want to see decentralized open source, look at Debian which Ubuntu is based on.

Debian is the same software, but runs on Linux, BSD, and other kernels.

WHAT is Debian?

$1:

The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made common cause to create a free operating system. This operating system that we have created is called Debian GNU/Linux, or simply Debian for short.

An operating system is the set of basic programs and utilities that make your computer run. At the core of an operating system is the kernel. The kernel is the most fundamental program on the computer and does all the basic housekeeping and lets you start other programs.

Debian systems currently use the Linux kernel. Linux is a piece of software started by Linus Torvalds and supported by thousands of programmers worldwide.

However, work is in progress to provide Debian for other kernels, primarily for the Hurd. The Hurd is a collection of servers that run on top of a microkernel (such as Mach) to implement different features. The Hurd is free software produced by the GNU project.

A large part of the basic tools that fill out the operating system come from the GNU project; hence the names: GNU/Linux and GNU/Hurd. These tools are also free.

Of course, the thing that people want is application software: programs to help them get what they want to do done, from editing documents to running a business to playing games to writing more software. Debian comes with over 29000 packages (precompiled software that is bundled up in a nice format for easy installation on your machine) — all of it free.

It's a bit like a tower. At the base is the kernel. On top of that are all the basic tools. Next is all the software that you run on the computer. At the top of the tower is Debian — carefully organizing and fitting everything so it all works together.

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Yeah, some distros aren't centralized, but generally speaking they are.

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[Elvis]

I wonder what is the offending kernel code???

Maybe it can be replace easily and that's why Google paid this little (for them) fine.

Don't forget that this ruling can only be enforce in the state. I think that Google know what there doing.

[ShepherdsDog]

Your SOP/MO seems to be wait until someone makes or creates something and then steal it.

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Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

Tricks Tricks:

So you also know it is extremely popular for use on servers, and suing someone for using it on their servers sets a dangerous precedent.

If groups start up a bunch of court charges against individuals, I'll care. Until then, it's corporations smashing the antlers of another corporation for a BS reason, and I couldn't care less about the outcome.

And if this causes capabilities to be reduced?

Mr_Canada Mr_Canada:

How would that be possible except through complete theft of the idea? Why wouldn't Person A be able to recreate it? And why would anyone actually bother doing this? There'd be no reason nor any force to stop Person A from his actions and there shouldn't be any motivation to destroy Person A's work, since such competition won't make things 'better' for you economically. There is less reason in communism to steal an idea then there is in capitalism, where it can be highly profitable.

You ignore human nature. As does communism. Why try to compete when you can eliminate them? Makes life easier.

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While I did not know that (but perhaps should have noticed as common sense), I was speaking more of Linux as an idea. As in, Person B can work on it without being interrupted by the original idea presenter, Person A. Progress can be made independently from different sources on the same idea.

Which is what happens. That's where a lot of the applications or alterations to Linux comes from.

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Bartering? No. I mean, if you want to trade stuff, go ahead, but there wouldn't be any instituted 'make something to get something' policy. You feed the town, the town feeds you. Rainbows appear every Monday and Thursday..

And what happens if someone doesn't go along with this?

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So you would choose nothing? Seriously, you'd get bored soon. Do you want to be SOMETHING in life...? A firefighter, a cook, a steelworker? To be respected and important in your society? All at your own will? Or... would you sit on a couch and play Call of Duty? Your labour can mean something for once, instead of just being a shitty position providing nothing.

Are you kidding me? Look at how many people collect welfare in this country and do nothing about it. Yes people would sit there and do nothing.