[Gunnair]

"Elvis" wrote

Gunnair Gunnair:

Elvis Elvis:

What really shock me is the hypocrisy of canadian on this matter. This deal reak corruption, the number are in the Billions, yes Billion$ with an S for plurals!!

But I guess this is no big deal!

Try again. This post makes no sense.

Hypocrisy? Where?
Corruption? Where?
Fighter jets costing billions? Really?

The sun is hot too, eh.

$1:

I guess I need to draw you a picture.

Actually no, you just need to avoid posting retarded missives.

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Huge No bid contract for a plane that is not even in production, that the technical detail are still unknown, That the final cost are still unknown.

Hypocrisy and corruption test... fail. Judgment test... questionable.

Next.

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Why would an honest politician take such huge risk with the public money???? Are we under attack by a foreign superpower??? No The risk is to great I do not believe this is legit.

Honesty has nothing to do with this. This is about choosing a next generation fighter. Does one take a chance on a new production aircraft that is supposed to counter Russian and Chinese variants or do you buy tried and true but older technology. What the military and politicians want may not equal out because of cost vs technology.

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And I do not believe the Government of Canada is of good faith.

You belong to the herd of whining parasitic separatists that infest your province. No one in ROK gives much of a fuck what you think.

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Hypocrisy yes, this story is treated by the canadian media like an after thought.

That makes no sense.. again. Next.

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Just to put this story in perspective the sponsorship scandal involve 50 million dollars. this is in the Billion$ but hey I guess it's no big deal!

Equating this to the sponsorship scandal makes no sense. Might as well compare apples to canoes. Best if you just stick to whining about the Federal government not building you a new arena so you can fail utterly at winning back a 3rd rate NHL team that would suck compared to the Leafs.

[Regina]

GreenTiger GreenTiger:

Is it typical for aircraft purchases to include the engines?

Last I read there are two, and a possiblity of a third engine option coming. The engine is far from being the most costly component as well.

[Scape]

1Peg 1Peg:

Scrap this deal and buy the super hornet, or build our own.

If you don't mind me asking but do you have a approximate idea as to how long would it take to make our own or how much will it cost to buy 65 Super Hornets? And isn't there a cancellation fee if we pull out like we had with the choppers?

[Gunnair]

Scape Scape:

1Peg 1Peg:

Scrap this deal and buy the super hornet, or build our own.

If you don't mind me asking but do you have a approximate idea as to how long would it take to make our own or how much will it cost to buy 65 Super Hornets? And isn't there a cancellation fee if we pull out like we had with the choppers?

I don't recall the price, but yes, there is a cancellation fee. Building our own? Ridiculous and not an option (just like building our own subs)

Buying superhornets? That is an option that should be explored.

[Thanos]

Get a fleet of 100 F16's, at about half the current cost of the F35's, as a gap-filler for a few years until the cost on the F35's drops down considerable. It's just like buying a big-screen TV. Why on earth would anyone pay $15000 for one of the first-gen ones that came out when you could've waited another five to seven years to get an even better one for around $3000 instead? Existentially it's the same goddamn thing with these new fighters.

Wonderful world of military procurement at it's finest I suppose. This really isn't too far removed from the US Navy spending $1000 on the same toilet seats they could have bought at Home Depot for $35 each. No matter which party runs the government it always turns into a right royal clusterfuck.

[1Peg]

CDN_PATRIOT CDN_PATRIOT:

Elvis Elvis:

I guess I need to draw you a picture.

For the last time, NO MORE DUCEPPE PORTRAITS

But anyways....as much as I lauded these new F-35's as the best replacement for our CF-18's, I'm beginning to think that we could get double the number of planes if we used the money on Super Hornets instead. At least we already have Hornet parts and the pilots wouldn't need much (if any) additional training.

-J.

Not to mention the fact that Canada will NEVER be in a first strike scenario. We leave that to the US cruise missiles, and their F22's

[Scape]

At this point I don't see why we just do with the Hornets as we are going with out Leo's I. Just buy surplus airframes from our allies at a lower rate. Do we really need state of the art super jets if it ends up crippling the rest of the armed forces procurement budget for decades to come?

[Gunnair]

Scape Scape:

At this point I don't see why we just do with the Hornets as we are going with out Leo's I. Just buy surplus airframes from our allies at a lower rate. Do we really need state of the art super jets if it ends up crippling the rest of the armed forces procurement budget for decades to come?

The Australians are buying super hornets in the short term, and I think we should as well. I have yet to be convinced that we need Cadillacs when a Toyota would do.

[QBC]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Scape Scape:

At this point I don't see why we just do with the Hornets as we are going with out Leo's I. Just buy surplus airframes from our allies at a lower rate. Do we really need state of the art super jets if it ends up crippling the rest of the armed forces procurement budget for decades to come?

The Australians are buying super hornets in the short term, and I think we should as well. I have yet to be convinced that we need Cadillacs when a Toyota would do.

OMG, you didn't just mention Toyota? Now we're going to get 587 topics about Toyota recalls again.... ....

[Gunnair]

QBC QBC:

Gunnair Gunnair:

Scape Scape:

At this point I don't see why we just do with the Hornets as we are going with out Leo's I. Just buy surplus airframes from our allies at a lower rate. Do we really need state of the art super jets if it ends up crippling the rest of the armed forces procurement budget for decades to come?

The Australians are buying super hornets in the short term, and I think we should as well. I have yet to be convinced that we need Cadillacs when a Toyota would do.

OMG, you didn't just mention Toyota? Now we're going to get 587 topics about Toyota recalls again.... ....

Let me just push my way by the current 1.2 million F150 truck recall here before I answer that!

[saturn_656]

Thanos Thanos:

Get a fleet of 100 F16's, at about half the current cost of the F35's, as a gap-filler for a few years until the cost on the F35's drops down considerable. It's just like buying a big-screen TV. Why on earth would anyone pay $15000 for one of the first-gen ones that came out when you could've waited another five to seven years to get an even better one for around $3000 instead? Existentially it's the same goddamn thing with these new fighters.

Wonderful world of military procurement at it's finest I suppose. This really isn't too far removed from the US Navy spending $1000 on the same toilet seats they could have bought at Home Depot for $35 each. No matter which party runs the government it always turns into a right royal clusterfuck.

100 planes at half the cost? Obviously those airframes will not be new.

Why we would throw good money away on 100 used jets not any better than what we fly now is beyond me.

[sandorski]

Just need 2 Person Crew. One to Pilot, one to Push.

[1Peg]

Scape Scape:

1Peg 1Peg:

Scrap this deal and buy the super hornet, or build our own.

If you don't mind me asking but do you have a approximate idea as to how long would it take to make our own or how much will it cost to buy 65 Super Hornets? And isn't there a cancellation fee if we pull out like we had with the choppers?

The F35 was supposed to be released in 2010, now they are saying 2015, or even longer, I'm really starting to wonder when the US will release it. I'm sure in that time, or, even a bit longer we should be able to throw something together in 7-9 years?

The super hornet I'm assuming would be cheaper, it is a very advanced warplane, but no stealth technology.

I don't know if you have seen future weapons, they had an episode on the super hornet, you can see it here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYhJcDM4dIU

[1Peg]

Gunnair Gunnair:

Scape Scape:

At this point I don't see why we just do with the Hornets as we are going with out Leo's I. Just buy surplus airframes from our allies at a lower rate. Do we really need state of the art super jets if it ends up crippling the rest of the armed forces procurement budget for decades to come?

The Australians are buying super hornets in the short term, and I think we should as well. I have yet to be convinced that we need Cadillacs when a Toyota would do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSTTK4bz ... re=related

[Gunnair]

Yep.