[llama66]

BRAH BRAH:

If Tesla did buy the GM plants it would take at least maybe 2 years with converting them over, training workers etc.

That's not a bad thing... Hire the laid off autoworkers, train them as you re-tool. They get minimal disruption to their livelihoods and Tesla gets a well trained work force.

[DrCaleb]

llama66 llama66:

BRAH BRAH:

If Tesla did buy the GM plants it would take at least maybe 2 years with converting them over, training workers etc.

That's not a bad thing... Hire the laid off autoworkers, train them as you re-tool. They get minimal disruption to their livelihoods and Tesla gets a well trained work force.

And increased capacity that doesn't feel like you are at a carnival.

[BeaverFever]

How many Teslas do they sell a year? Gotta be a fraction of what GM does. If it even comes to pass it’ll be s drop in the bucket. Also isn’t Musk losing his marbles? Can we really put that much faith in his utterings?

[BartSimpson]

BRAH BRAH:

If Tesla did buy the GM plants it would take at least maybe 2 years with converting them over, training workers etc.

Naw. More like 120 days or so.

Retooling a production plant is something North American firms excel at doing and auto workers are well versed in rapidly spinning up on new models, new production techniques, and etc.

Plus the fact that the costs rise for every day that the plant isn't in production so there's a huge motivation to get cars rolling out the front door once the commitment is made to produce vehicles.

[DrCaleb]

BeaverFever BeaverFever:

How many Teslas do they sell a year? Gotta be a fraction of what GM does. If it even comes to pass it’ll be s drop in the bucket. Also isn’t Musk losing his marbles? Can we really put that much faith in his utterings?

5000 Model 3's per week. Over 100,000 Model S and X in 2017. All models are increasing production.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2018/12/el ... 00000-evs/

GM produced around 1100 Volts and 1400 Volts monthly in 2017. They discontinued the Volt.

And Musk was operating 3 big companies on only a couple hours sleep a night. He was a bit punchy for a while. He's learnt his lesson.

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-mu ... age-2018-8

[Coach85]

Tesla is not taking over any closed plants in Canada. For us to think otherwise is absoltely foolish.

Canada makes up 3.4% of Tesla's market. Tesla still doesn't make money. ~50% of their market is the US so if any plants were to be taken over, it would be the ones in the US, not here.

With Ontario scrapping the EV rebate, their market share will dwindle even further.

[DrCaleb]

Coach85 Coach85:

Tesla is not taking over any closed plants in Canada. For us to think otherwise is absoltely foolish.

Canada makes up 3.4% of Tesla's market. Tesla still doesn't make money. ~50% of their market is the US so if any plants were to be taken over, it would be the ones in the US, not here.

Try buying one. It's the lack of dealerships that sell them that I think contributes to a low market penetration. That, and $120k for the top model isn't very attractive.

If they start producing the $30k model and making it available here, I think that will change. Or even the upcoming sport model, at $50k might make a pretty big dent too. Or pickup.

[BartSimpson]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It's the lack of dealerships that sell them that I think contributes to a low market penetration.

Tesla sells direct to the consumer and no fucking bunch of grifter dealerships are involved at all.

While I am not interested in their product I do like the way they do business and the lack of complaints against their retail outlets for fraud is in stark contrast to the average dealership where they try to fuck you at every turn when you're buying a car.

[Tricks]

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It's the lack of dealerships that sell them that I think contributes to a low market penetration.

Tesla sells direct to the consumer and no fucking bunch of grifter dealerships are involved at all.

While I am not interested in their product I do like the way they do business and the lack of complaints against their retail outlets for fraud is in stark contrast to the average dealership where they try to fuck you at every turn when you're buying a car.

I just had the dealership quote me 1200 bucks for rear brake rotors, pads, and e-brake shoes.

300 dollars in parts and 250-300 in labour. Wondering where the fuck the other 600 is going.

[DrCaleb]

Tricks Tricks:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It's the lack of dealerships that sell them that I think contributes to a low market penetration.

Tesla sells direct to the consumer and no fucking bunch of grifter dealerships are involved at all.

While I am not interested in their product I do like the way they do business and the lack of complaints against their retail outlets for fraud is in stark contrast to the average dealership where they try to fuck you at every turn when you're buying a car.

I just had the dealership quote me 1200 bucks for rear brake rotors, pads, and e-brake shoes.

300 dollars in parts and 250-300 in labour. Wondering where the fuck the other 600 is going.

"Environmental Charges" and "Shop Supplies". So, pure profit. That's why I do most of my own work.

[BRAH]

llama66 llama66:

BRAH BRAH:

If Tesla did buy the GM plants it would take at least maybe 2 years with converting them over, training workers etc.

That's not a bad thing... Hire the laid off autoworkers, train them as you re-tool. They get minimal disruption to their livelihoods and Tesla gets a well trained work force.

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

BRAH BRAH:

If Tesla did buy the GM plants it would take at least maybe 2 years with converting them over, training workers etc.

Naw. More like 120 days or so.

Retooling a production plant is something North American firms excel at doing and auto workers are well versed in rapidly spinning up on new models, new production techniques, and etc.

Plus the fact that the costs rise for every day that the plant isn't in production so there's a huge motivation to get cars rolling out the front door once the commitment is made to produce vehicles.

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Those GM plants could also be used to manufacture other Tesla or Space X components.


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There's a Tesla dealership in a West Vancouver strip mall where you can buy a pair of Nike's and a Tesla the same day.

[Tricks]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

"Environmental Charges" and "Shop Supplies". So, pure profit. That's why I do most of my own work.

Normally I do alot of my own, but for brakes, I don't trust myself. I've done them in the past when I was in high school, and likely could do it. But for the few hundred bucks to not suddenly lose control of my vehicle, it's worth it to me.

[Coach85]

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

"Environmental Charges" and "Shop Supplies". So, pure profit. That's why I do most of my own work.

Most environmental charges are ones that are required by law and shop supplies never reaches anything that high.

[Coach85]

Tricks Tricks:

BartSimpson BartSimpson:

DrCaleb DrCaleb:

It's the lack of dealerships that sell them that I think contributes to a low market penetration.

Tesla sells direct to the consumer and no fucking bunch of grifter dealerships are involved at all.

While I am not interested in their product I do like the way they do business and the lack of complaints against their retail outlets for fraud is in stark contrast to the average dealership where they try to fuck you at every turn when you're buying a car.

I just had the dealership quote me 1200 bucks for rear brake rotors, pads, and e-brake shoes.

300 dollars in parts and 250-300 in labour. Wondering where the fuck the other 600 is going.

It should be on your quote. If not, ask.

[Tricks]

Coach85 Coach85:

It should be on your quote. If not, ask.

Wasn't a full break down, just a list of things needed with a total.